$6.5 AK from BB facing UTG raise

The Amoeba · 11-15-2007, 04:49 PM

My thoughts are that I can't put this guy on anything I beat except AJ or AT but he didn't seem like the type to raise and fall in love with those hands from UTG. Thoughts on all streets plz.

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Poker Stars, $6 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds, 8 Players
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CO: 585
BTN: 3,050
SB: 1,375
Hero (BB): 3,355
UTG: 1,455
UTG+1: 1,665
MP1: 1,050
MP2: 965

Pre-Flop: (75) A:spade: K:heart: dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG raises to 125, 2 folds, MP2 calls 125, 3 folds, Hero calls 75

Flop: (400) A:club: 3:diamond: Q:heart: (3 Players)
Hero checks????, UTG checks, MP2 checks

Turn: (400) 7:heart: (3 Players)
Hero checks, UTG bets 225, MP2 folds, Hero calls??? 225

River: (850) 8:club: (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG bets 350, Hero??

Ugignadl · 11-15-2007, 08:00 PM

First, you have to call the river...

Next, bet the flop? I put UTG on :Kd :Ks here...

sfustsh · 11-15-2007, 09:12 PM

I'd probably have bet every street, but as played, raise river. Your hand is 'very' disguised.

MewsicLovr · 11-16-2007, 08:27 AM

It took me this long to figure out this was a FR game...

In a 6max game I'd reraise preflop every time. However I'm not familiar with FR games these days (a good reason why I don't play them anymore).

I think I'd lead the flop, but I'm crazy aggro like that. As played, I'd lead the turn. As played, I'd lead the river. As played, call.

The Amoeba · 11-16-2007, 12:17 PM

Does anyone have a range or any explanations for betting or anything like that? I'm assuming we are betting for value, what are we extracting value from, etc.

I think a reasonable range for a non-tardo would be like TT+, AQ+. Does that change anything?

sfustsh · 11-16-2007, 03:32 PM

That range is way too tight for this type of tournament. They are happy to felt any ace and often second pair.

Frankly, what are you worried about that might beat you?

The Amoeba · 11-16-2007, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfustsh

That range is way too tight for this type of tournament. They are happy to felt any ace and often second pair.

Frankly, what are you worried about that might beat you?

A guy makes a 2.5x raise UTG. Of the hands in the range I suggested, TT+, AQ+, I am beating 3 hands; TT, JJ, KK. Neither TT nor JJ is going to call any sort of bet that I make. KK might peel one or two small bets. I think the flop action supports the range that I had given preflop. I actually thought he had KK as ugi had suggested.

I like my flop check, but I am of course willing to listen for arguments for betting. Looking at it now I think I like betting out on the turn after it's checked behind on the flop, but again, not totally sold on it . What do you do if you are raised? I did not raise on the turn because I wanted to get to showdown cheaply, mission accomplished.

bigloser2448 · 11-20-2007, 01:42 PM

I'd put him on A-rag, smaller pair, best case AK, not AA or AQ or A3. I'd've bet flop and lost any further monies going into the pot. That would've been my mistake. I think you played it well to this point. I'd double his bet to see is he'd be willing to part with any more money and if he folds, well, you got more than I would've out of him.

If he had AQ or A3, then he'd have me.

The Amoeba · 11-20-2007, 02:15 PM

He had AQ. I've played a few more of these things now and I'm still not sure how I feel about this situation. I've reraised a few times and flatcalled a few times and I really don't feel I've found a good way to play it.

bigloser2448 · 11-20-2007, 02:58 PM

That sucks, (and so do I, I guess). So I assume you just called here?

11-15-2007, 04:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
The Amoeba Grinder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 436	$6.5 AK from BB facing UTG raise My thoughts are that I can't put this guy on anything I beat except AJ or AT but he didn't seem like the type to raise and fall in love with those hands from UTG. Thoughts on all streets plz. ------------------ HAND #3 ------------------ Poker Stars, $6 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds, 8 Players [url=http://www.leggopoker.com:16be75ba]LeggoPoker[/url:16be75ba][url=http://www.leggopoker.com/hh:16be75ba]Hand History Converter[/url:16be75ba] CO: 585 BTN: 3,050 SB: 1,375 Hero (BB): 3,355 UTG: 1,455 UTG+1: 1,665 MP1: 1,050 MP2: 965 Pre-Flop: (75) A:spade: K:heart: dealt to Hero (BB) UTG raises to 125, 2 folds, MP2 calls 125, 3 folds, Hero calls 75 Flop: (400) A:club: 3:diamond: Q:heart: (3 Players) Hero checks????, UTG checks, MP2 checks Turn: (400) 7:heart: (3 Players) Hero checks, UTG bets 225, MP2 folds, Hero calls??? 225 River: (850) 8:club: (2 Players) Hero checks, UTG bets 350, Hero??

11-15-2007, 08:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ugignadl Drunken Aussie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Aussieland Posts: 7,671	First, you have to call the river... Next, bet the flop? I put UTG on :Kd :Ks here... __________________ I have been blogging. Last updated April 29th. http://www.feltpoker.com/blogs/ugignadl/

11-15-2007, 09:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
sfustsh Whale Hunter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rocking the micros Posts: 4,522	I'd probably have bet every street, but as played, raise river. Your hand is 'very' disguised. __________________ johnny350h: that was in his range yes yes

11-16-2007, 08:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
MewsicLovr Forum Master Join Date: May 2007 Location: perpetually exhausted Posts: 6,459	It took me this long to figure out this was a FR game... In a 6max game I'd reraise preflop every time. However I'm not familiar with FR games these days (a good reason why I don't play them anymore). I think I'd lead the flop, but I'm crazy aggro like that. As played, I'd lead the turn. As played, I'd lead the river. As played, call. __________________ (2:13:49 PM) Mirage: I had already decided to get it in while he was timing down though so his FE was nonexistant (2:14:05 PM) Mirage: I mean wtf does he think I have there when I take that line pre and on the flop (2:14:11 PM) Eric: {random} (2:14:14 PM) Mirage: lol

11-16-2007, 03:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
sfustsh Whale Hunter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rocking the micros Posts: 4,522	That range is way too tight for this type of tournament. They are happy to felt any ace and often second pair. Frankly, what are you worried about that might beat you? __________________ johnny350h: that was in his range yes yes

11-16-2007, 12:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
The Amoeba Grinder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 436	Does anyone have a range or any explanations for betting or anything like that? I'm assuming we are betting for value, what are we extracting value from, etc. I think a reasonable range for a non-tardo would be like TT+, AQ+. Does that change anything?

11-20-2007, 01:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
bigloser2448 Whale Hunter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 2,826	Re: $6.5 AK from BB facing UTG raise I'd put him on A-rag, smaller pair, best case AK, not AA or AQ or A3. I'd've bet flop and lost any further monies going into the pot. That would've been my mistake. I think you played it well to this point. I'd double his bet to see is he'd be willing to part with any more money and if he folds, well, you got more than I would've out of him. If he had AQ or A3, then he'd have me. __________________ Check out Bigloser's Blog: The Genesis of a Micro-Grinder... http://www.feltpoker.com/blogs/bigloser (updated 5/25/08 )

11-20-2007, 02:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
The Amoeba Grinder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 436	Re: $6.5 AK from BB facing UTG raise He had AQ. I've played a few more of these things now and I'm still not sure how I feel about this situation. I've reraised a few times and flatcalled a few times and I really don't feel I've found a good way to play it.

11-20-2007, 02:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
bigloser2448 Whale Hunter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 2,826	Re: $6.5 AK from BB facing UTG raise That sucks, (and so do I, I guess). So I assume you just called here? __________________ Check out Bigloser's Blog: The Genesis of a Micro-Grinder... http://www.feltpoker.com/blogs/bigloser (updated 5/25/08 )

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