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Old 02-15-2008, 09:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default QQ against new player at the table...

No reads at all. This is his first hand at the table.


Poker Stars, $2 + $0.20 NL Hold'em Tournament, 300/600 Blinds, 8 Players
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MP1: 9,855
MP2: 13,225
CO: 11,300
BTN: 5,417
SB: 3,890
Hero (BB): 29,938
UTG: 20,275
UTG+1: 28,997

Pre-Flop: (1,300) :Qs :Qc dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG raises to 1,800, 2 folds, MP2 calls 1,800, 3 folds, Hero raises to 5,000, UTG raises to 20,225 and is All-In, Hero???
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Old 02-15-2008, 10:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: QQ against new player at the table...

Instant call 4 me with or without reads
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Old 02-15-2008, 11:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: QQ against new player at the table...

Call.
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Old 02-15-2008, 11:56 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: QQ against new player at the table...

Where are you in the tournament? In the money? What is average stack size at this point? It looks like you have a pretty decent stack, with KK or AA I push no hesitation, but with QQ I have to look at other things. Against an unknown, who is risking his good size stack against someone who can bust him, I might be willing to lay this down.
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Old 02-17-2008, 07:23 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: QQ against new player at the table...

I probably call in this situation, but I'm often wrong too. Since your raise has one caller and another re-raise, it's possible you've up against AA or KK. On the other hand, at a $2 buy-in, someone could be pushing with AJ offsuit here too.
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Old 02-17-2008, 10:47 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: QQ against new player at the table...

I was sitting in the top 20 out of like 200 people left at this point.

I've posted hands like this several times over, and I always here, "when a guy re-re-raises like this it always means aces. Books upon books have this advice in them. Why is it now "correct" to call here? It's not like this guy is desperate.

This table has 3 relatively large stacks, mine being one of them. We've all enjoyed beating up on the rest of the table up to this point.

TO be honest, I think I called, but have to look it up. If I didn't call this one, I lost shortly after on a similir decision.
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Old 02-17-2008, 12:25 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Default Re: QQ against new player at the table...

I might let this go. I've made this fold before.

I think there's a lot of evidence to suggest that you are beat, so folding isn't that bad.
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Old 02-18-2008, 02:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Default Re: QQ against new player at the table...

The way I look at it is you reraised. Part of the reason for that was evidently to get information. Well...you got it. With no reads at all, it looks like AA, KK, or AKs. I would fold.
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Old 02-18-2008, 06:28 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Default Re: QQ against new player at the table...

God dammit. I can't find this hand anymore. WHile looking, I found these...

Poker Stars, $2 + $0.20 NL Hold'em Tournament, 800/1,600 Blinds, 8 Players
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UTG+1: 36,198
MP1: 56,725
MP2: 48,982
Hero (CO): 60,486
BTN: 48,804
SB: 22,739
BB: 38,341
UTG: 217,967

Pre-Flop: (3,600) :Qd :Qs dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls 1,600, 3 folds, Hero raises to 5,000, 2 folds, BB raises to 38,191 and is All-In, UTG folds, Hero calls 33,191

Flop: (79,982) :5s :Js :3d (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (79,982) :2d (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (79,982) :9d (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 79,982 Pot
Hero showed :Qd :Qs (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-38,341 NET)
BB showed :As :Ad (a pair of Aces) and WON 79,982 (+41,641 NET)

Poker Stars, $2 + $0.20 NL Hold'em Tournament, 50/100 Blinds, 9 Players
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MP2: 5,470
CO: 2,495
BTN: 1,845
SB: 3,040
Hero (BB): 1,355
UTG: 1,840
UTG+1: 205
UTG+2: 2,450
MP1: 3,020

Pre-Flop: (150) :Qd :Qs dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG raises to 200, 7 folds, Hero raises to 600, UTG raises to 1,840 and is All-In, Hero calls 755 and is All-In

Flop: (2,760) :Ac :As :8s (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (2,760) :Ts (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (2,760) :6c (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 2,760 Pot
Hero showed :Qd :Qs (two pair, Aces and Queens) and WON 2,760 (+1,405 NET)
UTG showed :4d :Kd (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-1,355 NET)
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