I think we shoudl stop bumping this thread.

Wait I just bumped it didn't I. Crap.

I think that is out of line. He asked for feedback and if you want to post feedback great. Do not put words or assume what someone here would do..
There is a level of risk when any of us posts a hand and exposes how we play hands weather good or bad. Let's not assume there is only one way to play any hand and that we all know what play is best. We have opinions, which most of us can support with facts.. Past that, it's all situational.

Although, I don't like the way this hand was played it opens up a great discussion regarding MTT Strategy. There are several scenarios I can see where I would try and exercise pot control with pocket K's. So, the answer is never "ZOMG I have KK I'm pushing". It might be correct most of the time, but every situation is different and there are always several variables that play into every hand and every tournament..

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You have kings, shove. No discussion necessary.

Bump.

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Carrera: fuck you

as just above it means big bet.
so again fuck off

Here's how I played them:

Hand #53312774-22 at 1115amFreeTD-114 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
Started at 11/May/08 11:44:05

gin-- is at seat 0 with 265.
bad--is at seat 1 with 10630.
Pac-- is at seat 2 with 3120.
cru-- is at seat 3 with 2180.
fra-- is at seat 4 with 3210.
TD is at seat 5 with 3785.
pay-- is at seat 6 with 1390.
uys-- is at seat 7 with 1635.
jus-- is at seat 8 with 2860.
rob-- is at seat 9 with 1380.
The button is at seat 0.

bad--posts the small blind of 20.
Pac-- posts the big blind of 40.

...
TD: Kc Kd
...

Pre-flop:

cru-- folds.
fra-- calls.
TD raises to 180.
pay-- folds.
uys-- calls.
jus-- folds.
rob-- folds.
gin-- folds.
bad-- folds.
Pac-- folds.
fra-- calls.

Flop (board: Qs 5d Ah):

fra-- checks.
TD bets 600.
uys-- folds.
fra-- folds.
TD is returned 600 (uncalled).

Hand #53312774-22 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
TD wins 600.

Bump

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sfustsh: I just assumed johnny's post were him getting busted by a shortstack...

I've played like 2 MTTs, so you must of course take my advice as gospel.

I do push PF to get folds or isolate. I *know* the Ace hits 90% of the time when you have KK, so I'd think the same thing too, but I see getting in trouble by keeping people around as an even bigger risk.

As far as the overall strategy debate, this is almost going back to the 'do you fold AA with 3+ callers/all-iners' type argument. You always want to limit your all-ins when playing long MTTs, so I feel the question is at least valid. But, imo, if you aren't gonna push the KK PF here, might as well fold and wait for a better opportunity...like being able to make this same call with 67s and flop the nuts.

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Good point Velar. I have lost early in MTTs with strong hands like AA and KK against pushers with ATC. There is a strategy of going all in on the first hand with anything to double up or walk away. It's not limited to small stakes as I have seen it done in a $125 MTT. Is it better to fold a strong pocket pair and lose a few BB(s), or to risk your tournament life that early on?

Bump

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sfustsh: I just assumed johnny's post were him getting busted by a shortstack...

Oh yeah, I always fold KK and AA early, you can find better spots.

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(2:13:49 PM) Mirage: I had already decided to get it in while he was timing down though so his FE was nonexistant
(2:14:05 PM) Mirage: I mean wtf does he think I have there when I take that line pre and on the flop
(2:14:11 PM) Eric: {random}
(2:14:14 PM) Mirage: lol

Yeah in fact why not just save yourself the trouble of entering only to bust out on the bubble to a bunch of donkeys and then make away like a bandit with the entry fee?

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I think your on to something here. If we don't play we can't lose, EUREKA!!!

EDIT oopps used the wrong quote it was suppose to be a quote from MEWs

I fold those also! I have got beat with them way to many times! Now I just sit and wait and go all in with like 48os or 62os, something to that effect. I make much more money this way.

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