bigloser2448

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) [url=http://www.6man.org/cgi-bin/hhconverter.cgi:ea18vijl]TightPoker converter[/url:ea18vijl]

Hero (t2015)
MP1 (t2370)
MP2 (t1530)
CO (t2920)
Button (t4735)
SB (t1825)
BB (t3930)
UTG (t1345)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with :Ah:, :Th:.
1 fold, Hero raises to t200, 4 folds, SB calls t175, BB calls t150.

Flop: (t600) :Jh:, :Ad:, :Jd: (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t400, SB folds, BB raises to t3730, Hero ???

No reads, no notes yet.

I'm asking too much of ya'll with all these hand posts, let me know, & I'll slow down.

I'm just analyzing my questionable hands from the other night, and need some guidance from the experts. :wink:

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sfustsh

Fold preflop. You're UTG+1 in a full game, you need better than ATs to play here.

On the flop, just fold, you don't beat anything.

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Carrera: fuck you

as just above it means big bet.
so again fuck off

Ugignadl

Agreed, it is too early to play ATs. With the big bets you have given yourself a tough decision. If BB likes to check-raise draws it is an easy call. How does he play made hands; made hands with draws on the board? Is he charging you to draw, does he see you as a chaser, or is he semi-bluffing himself? In a vacuum you aren't getting enough odds to call this.

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MewsicLovr

Agree with fold preflop.

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(2:13:49 PM) Mirage: I had already decided to get it in while he was timing down though so his FE was nonexistant
(2:14:05 PM) Mirage: I mean wtf does he think I have there when I take that line pre and on the flop
(2:14:11 PM) Eric: {random}
(2:14:14 PM) Mirage: lol

sevens

As played, fold like origami.

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bigloser2448

Understood...
Play tighter, fold, fold, fold, But...

I know you can't play "buy the book", but when many of the pro's suggest things like:
-Steal Blinds every 1 revolution
-Re-Raise Steal every 1.3 revolutions
etc.
How do you do that if you only get good starting hands every 1 out of 50 hands or so?
Do you Steal by going all-in, or do you just "blind out" of the tourney of the cards don't come?

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Mirage

Simply put, the blinds aren't yet worth stealing. It is better to hang tight for now. Each additional chip is worth less than the one before it in a tournament, particularly when the blinds are low. Right now you want to establish a tight image so that when the blinds are larger in relation to stack sizes, you will have an easier time stealing. A timely steal in the late-game is worth more than a double-up in the first couple of levels.

[url=http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=singletable&Number=517274 3&Searchpage=1&Main=5167541&Words=icm+microbet&top ic=&Search=true#Post5172743:gu7taynv]Here's some light discussion of the math behind tournament strategy.[/url:gu7taynv] It's called ICM - Independent Chip Modeling.

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bigloser2448

Mirage,
Thanks for the insight.. Establish tight image early, steal later. Another Lesson learned.
Unfortunately, I can't get to the 2plus2 forums from work and most of my "at home computing" has to be spent playing and not reading and posting.

It's kind of learn in my "free" time at work, and use what I learned at home in my limited amount of (never any free) time to "play".

I will make the time to find and read this later, though. It sound like good readin'.

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Mirage

I just noticed that this is an MTT, not an STT. :banghead:

The reply above still applies somewhat, particularly regarding the questions about stealing. More broadly however, ATs UTG+1 is a pretty routine fold in a full ring game unless you are very short.

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puckhead23

Keep in mind that pros are typically playing pros in $10K buy-in tournaments. You can only steal blinds if your opponents are willing to fold. Good players are capable of folding their hands; your opponents in low stakes tourneys call way too much. It is important to echo Mirage: $50 blinds are not worth stealing. When blinds are this small, you should be almost never stealing, and playing ABC poker.

In response to your 2nd question, you should be stealing when the blinds represent a decent part of your stack. You never want to get blinded out of a tournament, but you have 40BB. That is A TON OF CHIPS!!!! If, in the hand you just posted, blinds were 200/400 (you'd have 10BBs), I would push all-in. The $600 would represent 15% of your stack. I would watch some of Darinvg's SNGs on the HH replayer. This will give you an idea of when to start pushing.

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