Easy fold or easy push?

CrazeeAsh · 06-18-2008, 11:21 PM

Interested to know how you guys would play AK in this spot. Any feedback really appreciated.
Villains stats are vp:36 pf:9 3b:0 ag:3.0 cb:75 fc:50 over 64 hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($5.22)
MP3 ($9.96)
CO ($4.22)
Button ($15.94)
SB ($9.10)
BB ($4.37)
UTG ($8.0

UTG+1 ($4.19)
MP1 ($16.29)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with

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.
UTG raises to $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $1, Hero raises to $5.22, 5 folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls $4.22.

Flop: ($10.76)

,

(2 players)

Turn: ($10.76)

(2 players)

River: ($10.76)

(2 players)

Final Pot: $10.76

sevens · 06-19-2008, 01:11 AM

I'm assuming those are stats for MP1?

IME, people are 3-betting a pretty transparent range, namely QQ+ and AK. It's the exception that I see someone 3-bet with JJ or worse. That said, I don't think there's much FE, and I don't think AK is that much ahead of his range, if at all. I fold and find a spot to value-bet the shit out them. 10NL (and I'm assuming 5NL) is more about value bets than FE and c-bets.

On top of that, I really don't like getting all in preflop for 100BB with AK, with no FE. (I know...shoving for 100BB with AK is different than calling for 100BB with AK).

mervhage · 06-19-2008, 12:39 PM

It seems very standard to me. However, I might be a little biased b/c it's $5 NL, therefore, the decision itself is not very expensive. It's a lot easier for me to put in $5 all in preflop, as opposed to $50 and upwards, etc.

Again, it looks fine to me. Then again, I'm not much of a NL HE player,

Ugignadl · 06-19-2008, 03:09 PM

Totally standard. nh

bigloser2448 · 06-19-2008, 04:02 PM

Looks fine, but I can't believe someone who CBets 75% actually checked that down. It makes you wonder what he does CBet with. What's your image at the table at this point? That's usually a stupid question at $5NL since people don't usually pay attention to other players at that level, but this guy obviously got spooked by your huge reraise preflop. I guess you know how to play against this guy. That is, aggressive when you have hands, but probably no point in trying to get him off a hand preflop. Who knows if he can fold after the flop, but as for preflop, there's no point in raising with real trash since he's gonna call you.

MewsicLovr · 06-19-2008, 07:44 PM

reread the history...

CrazeeAsh · 06-19-2008, 07:45 PM

d00d it was all in preflop...

CrazeeAsh · 06-19-2008, 07:45 PM

Hah, bet me too it

johnny · 06-19-2008, 07:48 PM

I was interested in what the responses would be because of the size of the bets by the villains. UTG raises 5x, then MP1 raises 4x that... it doesn't leave a hell of a lot of room to reraise and see their reactions.

sfustsh · 06-19-2008, 08:34 PM

There is no other option.

06-18-2008, 11:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
CrazeeAsh School Fish Join Date: May 2008 Location: Neverland Posts: 116	Easy fold or easy push? Interested to know how you guys would play AK in this spot. Any feedback really appreciated. Villains stats are vp:36 pf:9 3b:0 ag:3.0 cb:75 fc:50 over 64 hands. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards) Hero ($5.22) MP3 ($9.96) CO ($4.22) Button ($15.94) SB ($9.10) BB ($4.37) UTG ($8.0 UTG+1 ($4.19) MP1 ($16.29) Preflop: Hero is MP2 with , . UTG raises to $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $1, Hero raises to $5.22, 5 folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls $4.22. Flop: ($10.76) , , (2 players) Turn: ($10.76) (2 players) River: ($10.76) (2 players) Final Pot: $10.76

06-19-2008, 01:11 AM	#2 (permalink)
sevens Grinder Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 812	I'm assuming those are stats for MP1? IME, people are 3-betting a pretty transparent range, namely QQ+ and AK. It's the exception that I see someone 3-bet with JJ or worse. That said, I don't think there's much FE, and I don't think AK is that much ahead of his range, if at all. I fold and find a spot to value-bet the shit out them. 10NL (and I'm assuming 5NL) is more about value bets than FE and c-bets. On top of that, I really don't like getting all in preflop for 100BB with AK, with no FE. (I know...shoving for 100BB with AK is different than calling for 100BB with AK). __________________ sevens' blog The adventures of a micro-grinder! Updated 8/30 "Swings Part Deux" The basics of a solid TAG Game strat video "double gutshot" - twice as good as a single gutshot!

06-19-2008, 03:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ugignadl Drunken Aussie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Aussieland Posts: 7,708	Totally standard. nh __________________ I have been blogging. Last updated April 29th. http://www.feltpoker.com/blogs/ugignadl/

06-19-2008, 04:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
bigloser2448 Whale Hunter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 2,861	Looks fine, but I can't believe someone who CBets 75% actually checked that down. It makes you wonder what he does CBet with. What's your image at the table at this point? That's usually a stupid question at $5NL since people don't usually pay attention to other players at that level, but this guy obviously got spooked by your huge reraise preflop. I guess you know how to play against this guy. That is, aggressive when you have hands, but probably no point in trying to get him off a hand preflop. Who knows if he can fold after the flop, but as for preflop, there's no point in raising with real trash since he's gonna call you. __________________ Check out Bigloser's Blog: The Genesis of a Micro-Grinder... http://www.feltpoker.com/blogs/bigloser (updated 5/25/08 )

06-19-2008, 07:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
johnny Picture Frame Ninja Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,110	I was interested in what the responses would be because of the size of the bets by the villains. UTG raises 5x, then MP1 raises 4x that... it doesn't leave a hell of a lot of room to reraise and see their reactions. __________________ Blog Updated 6/21, Oooops, I'm goin to Vegas in a few days. 11:09:32 PM Randy: limit poker is easy 11:19:03 PM Randy: ok, i suck at teh limit Mirage: FU PKOER Mirage: F Mirage: U Mirage: FUFUFU Mirage: up a $1.45 still YES

06-19-2008, 12:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
mervhage Whale Hunter Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 7,407	It seems very standard to me. However, I might be a little biased b/c it's $5 NL, therefore, the decision itself is not very expensive. It's a lot easier for me to put in $5 all in preflop, as opposed to $50 and upwards, etc. Again, it looks fine to me. Then again, I'm not much of a NL HE player,

06-19-2008, 07:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
MewsicLovr Forum Master Join Date: May 2007 Location: perpetually exhausted Posts: 6,476	reread the history...

06-19-2008, 07:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
CrazeeAsh School Fish Join Date: May 2008 Location: Neverland Posts: 116	d00d it was all in preflop...

06-19-2008, 07:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
CrazeeAsh School Fish Join Date: May 2008 Location: Neverland Posts: 116	Hah, bet me too it

06-19-2008, 08:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
sfustsh Whale Hunter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rocking the micros Posts: 4,557	There is no other option. __________________ Carrera: fuck you as just above it means big bet. so again fuck off

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