JAMOOL

PokerStars Game #12234338930: HORSE (Omaha Hi/Lo Limit, $1/$2) - 2007/09/23 - 22:18:23 (ET)
Table 'Tabit' 8-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: GETINTHEJAIL ($35.85 in chips)
Seat 2: momoftwo ($15.10 in chips)
Seat 3: killrqueen ($45.55 in chips)
Seat 4: donaldduckal ($85.95 in chips)
Seat 5: 1stday ($38 in chips)
Seat 6: Jule 33 ($43 in chips)
Seat 7: Gothick ($53.70 in chips)
donaldduckal: posts small blind $0.50
1stday: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GETINTHEJAIL [Qh 9h 9c Qc]
Jule 33: calls $1
Gothick: folds
GETINTHEJAIL: calls $1
momoftwo: calls $1
killrqueen: folds
donaldduckal: calls $0.50
1stday: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qd 2c Jd]
donaldduckal: bets $1
1stday: folds
Jule 33: calls $1
GETINTHEJAIL: raises $1 to $2
momoftwo: calls $2
donaldduckal: calls $1
Jule 33: calls $1
*** TURN *** [Qd 2c Jd] [8d]
donaldduckal: checks
Jule 33: checks
GETINTHEJAIL: checks
momoftwo: bets $2
donaldduckal: calls $2
Jule 33: calls $2
GETINTHEJAIL: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Qd 2c Jd 8d] [Ts]
donaldduckal: checks
Jule 33: checks
GETINTHEJAIL: checks
momoftwo: bets $2
donaldduckal: calls $2
Jule 33: folds
GETINTHEJAIL: folds



Results in white:



*** SHOW DOWN ***
momoftwo: shows [Js 8s Jc 4d] (HI: three of a kind, Jacks)
donaldduckal: mucks hand
momoftwo collected $24 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $25 | Rake $1
Board [Qd 2c Jd 8d Ts]
Seat 1: GETINTHEJAIL folded on the River
Seat 2: momoftwo showed [Js 8s Jc 4d] and won ($24) with HI: three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 3: killrqueen (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: donaldduckal (small blind) mucked [5c 2d 2s 4s]
Seat 5: 1stday (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Jule 33 folded on the River
Seat 7: Gothick folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Biggle10

I haven't looked at results, but I'm unsure. I'd be tempted to bet/fold the river since the turn didn't get raised.

sfustsh

I would call, based solely on the fact that you cover two of the nines.

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johnny350h: that was in his range yes yes

JAMOOL

I realize that too, but I was more worried about the flush. With three callers on a flop like that, I figured they had to have some kind of draw, and not a low one. I thought the odds of one of them having a flush after that was pretty high. Of course I have two of the nines, but it's still possible (although unlikely) for one of them to have one of the other two. Given that momoftwo bet both times after the flush came up, AND that donaldduck called behind, I figured one of them for sure would have it. If don didn't call I would have.

Now, looking at the results, how likely is this?

sfustsh

Given $25 in the pot and $2 to call, I don't really think you need a hand as strong as QQQ to actually call anyway.

Do I think it's likely that villain has a flush? Meh, I didn't really think about it. We have nut 'no-straight or flush', and if we're right just once in 13 this is +EV, so it's a simple call.

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johnny350h: that was in his range yes yes

mervhage

Before I look at results:

I have a hard time making this crying call on the river. Either one has a flush and donaldduck likely has a smaller flush than momoftwo. To be honest, if you believe in the screenname, which I realize can be stupid, than I'd be willing to bet a million dollars that "momoftwo" is a very straightforward player and in this case, she has a flush. Besides, on the turn, your set looks like a piece of shit. If you want my honest opinion, just fold preflop, this hand is a big troublemaker.

After looking at the results:

How the hell could you fold here? You only have to call one bet to see!!! J/k. It's a good fold, you're practically never ahead here. And I realize I owe you a million dollars, will you take a post dated check?? :lol:

Wow, what a crying call by 222 here and what a dumb cunt momoftwo is. Why this retard was allowed to reproduce is beyond me.

sfustsh

WTH

Seriously.... 12 point fucking five to 1 merv. Are you seriously making this type of fold routinely when you play poker? And on the turn: 9 to 1 with literally 14 outs.

How are you not broke?

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johnny350h: that was in his range yes yes

JAMOOL

Right, but I was 80% sure that momoftwo had a flush (or at least a straight). It was the duck's call I was more worried about. I was like 95-90% he's not calling with less than a straight and was very likely to have a non-nut flush. Multiply that and you see I actually *dont* have the odds to call.

Momoftwo indeed was very straightforward, and ridiculously loose. She rivered me lots of times so I didn't get any money from her, but I'm sure if she stuck around I would have.

sfustsh

Well, if you want to make up numbers that conveniently justify a poor fold, that's fine with me.

Consider that momoftwo is last to act on the river, she could be bluffing at the pot with basically anything and donaldduckal is getting 9 to 1 odds so he can call with a huge range of hands. That's good enough for me to overcall with top set.

Basically, I feel like I have the best hand 8% of the time, which is what I need to call.

Serious case of monsters under the bed here to be routinely making this fold.

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johnny350h: that was in his range yes yes

mervhage

He just said that momoftwo was very straightforward, which I suggested was the case based strictly off her screenname, whether or not that is right or wrong, I don't give a fuck, because it's what I say.

Next, the only LIMIT Omaha experience I have came from $20/40. You'd have to be a fucking donkey to make that call in Jamool's position. Typically, I play PL Omaha, so depending on Player-reads, and action that led up to this street, I can tell you what I'd do then.

Also, how is Jamool making up numbers to justify a fold? He has reads on the players in the hand and he's using this to judge his line of action. In this case, his reads have concluded in the percentages he provided. It's close enough in his mind to fold.

Now, on the turn, I said nothing that implied he should fold. Merely, that his hand now looks like shit. Which is does for 13 reasons, if not more.

As Jamool pointed out, duck's call is troubling in this spot. I know people are retards, but his actual holding is astonishing vs what I expected him to have. That's fine, nobody is perfect and reads aren't always 100% accurate, except maybe yours.


Now, you'll have to excuse my tone in this post. But hi/lo is my best game by far and I've put in countless hours getting better. I know my shit, period. Plus, I would never intentionally offer bad advice to a fellow forum member. I live for posts like these, b/c I feel love Omaha so much and enjoy dissecting hands like these.


Who said I wasn't?