Ok, here's the situtation:

Final table of a HORSE tournament. I'm in 5th. Table is pretty aggressive and overplay a lot of hands.

PokerStars Game #11189766575: Tournament #56065316, $10+$1 HORSE (7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit) - Level XX (3000/6000) - 2007/07/28 - 22:19:03 (ET)
Table '56065316 7' 8-max
Seat 1: naer167 (50253 in chips)
Seat 2: CanDoDo (94078 in chips)
Seat 3: GOLFDOC99 (13310 in chips)
Seat 4: GETINTHEJAIL (65790 in chips)
Seat 5: MAVRACK007 (76804 in chips)
Seat 6: Driekel (83069 in chips)
Seat 7: Hawk2297 (22725 in chips)
Seat 8: codewarrior (105971 in chips)
GETINTHEJAIL: posts the ante 600
MAVRACK007: posts the ante 600
Driekel: posts the ante 600
Hawk2297: posts the ante 600
codewarrior: posts the ante 600
naer167: posts the ante 600
CanDoDo: posts the ante 600
GOLFDOC99: posts the ante 600
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to naer167 [3h]
Dealt to CanDoDo [6c]
Dealt to GOLFDOC99 [2c]
Dealt to GETINTHEJAIL [Kc Qh Kh]
Dealt to MAVRACK007 [3s]
Dealt to Driekel [9c]
Dealt to Hawk2297 [4d]
Dealt to codewarrior [5d]
GOLFDOC99: brings in for 900
GETINTHEJAIL: folds
MAVRACK007: folds
Driekel: folds
Hawk2297: calls 900
codewarrior: raises 2100 to 3000
naer167: folds
CanDoDo: calls 3000
GOLFDOC99: folds
Hawk2297: calls 2100
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to CanDoDo [6c] [Qs]
Dealt to Hawk2297 [4d] [6s]
Dealt to codewarrior [5d] [Ac]
codewarrior: bets 3000
CanDoDo: calls 3000
Hawk2297: calls 3000
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to CanDoDo [6c Qs] [Th]
Dealt to Hawk2297 [4d 6s] [9d]
Dealt to codewarrior [5d Ac] [Td]
codewarrior: bets 6000
CanDoDo: folds
Hawk2297: calls 6000
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Hawk2297 [4d 6s 9d] [Ks]
Dealt to codewarrior [5d Ac Td] [9s]
codewarrior: bets 6000
Hawk2297: raises 4125 to 10125 and is all-in
codewarrior: calls 4125
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hawk2297: shows [8c 4h 4d 6s 9d Ks Tc] (HI: a pair of Fours)
codewarrior: shows [7c 2h 5d Ac Td 9s 3c] (HI: high card Ace; LO: 7,5,3,2,A)
Hawk2297 collected 27975 from pot
codewarrior collected 27975 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 55950 | Rake 0
Seat 1: naer167 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: CanDoDo folded on the 5th Street
Seat 3: GOLFDOC99 folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 4: GETINTHEJAIL folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MAVRACK007 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Driekel folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Hawk2297 showed [8c 4h 4d 6s 9d Ks Tc] and won (27975) with HI: a pair of Fours
Seat 8: codewarrior showed [7c 2h 5d Ac Td 9s 3c] and won (27975) with HI: high card Ace; LO: 7,5,3,2,A

Now I've heard that KK is a good way to go broke in stud hi/lo, and since there were so many lows showing there's a good chance of a lot of chasers. This way I feel it was likely to lose a lot of chips to all the people who could be drawing to straights or two pair...

It's a good fold. Considering you're at the FT, you only want to get involved in a stud hand that has scoop potential, or you're just throwing chips away. WTF is the idiot with the 4s doing? What a stupid goddamn motherfucker. This is the worst play ever.

Normally with no Ace showing I would raise here and everybody knows you got Kings.

With so many lo cards out already it's tougher to make lo with many players.

Plus your stack is healthy it might be time to put some pressure on

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Ugh. That's not a great idea considering that nobody will care if you have kings, which is the impression I got from the table's description. A fold's the way to go against idiots.

A fold can be the way to go against good players too, since "everybody knows you got kings" is a real liability. If you stay high and he makes something that beats kings you'll eat a raise on the expensive streets. If you don't stay high he'll have something scary showing to back up his bet.

You'd be much better off playing it in better position. Random other thoughts:

True, but that's a blessing and a curse. It also increases the odds someone's playing a pair (because two high cards plus a baby would've folded) which means concealed trips or two small pair are real possibilities if someone plays back later.

It might be, but probably not here. You'd need to play a big pot in a tough situation. It'd be entirely different if you were closer to the bring-in with fewer low cards behind you. Plus, at a table full of aggressive people overplaying hands it's ridiculous to think you can steal many antes. Save you chips for pots where you have great value against a couple of guys.

With the exception of when you have a good one-way hand in favorable positions. I won a huge half pot in a high/low tournament with a similar hand. The key difference being I had KKK while the rest of the table had babies and ended up taking half of a 4/5 handed pot. I've also made nice half-pot grabs with shitty low draws in position against people who'll draw to either two lows card or the second bet low. (ie, A26 against a K,8,7) In both cases your equity in a huge pot compensates you for losing some scoop potential.

I'm not that willing to lay into him. 844 is an ok starting hand and he's on a pretty short stack. His fours would need to be dead for it to be the "worst play ever." :wink:

I think the problem is that his hand justifies seeing 4th and 5th but his stack doesn't. With fewer than four big bets he's going to the mat with anything he plays. I'd do that with 844 which has scoop potential, however shitty it is.

Your one pair will be good for high here a LOT of the time and your opponents will have a hard time scooping you EVEN IF they make a low.

The fact there is no ace and SOOOO many low cards showing make this a good chance to do a little gambling.

Having said that I think you should still fold.

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as just above it means big bet.
so again fuck off

Um, well, it'd be good 2/3s of the time heads up. I doubt you get one opponent here often enough for it to win "a LOT." Even if you did, 2/3 of 1/2 the pot? That's only 1/3, and is probably a reasonable guess at your equity.

I'd say you've got a good chance heads-up, are about break-even three handed, and dog meat with more people.