Carrera

I hardly ever slow play in limit...

This would be why

PokerStars Game #16894030441: Hold'em Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/04/21 - 15:17:44 (ET)
Table 'Binomi III' 10-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: Skaneatlas ($180 in chips)
Seat 3: snappy1974 ($30 in chips)
Seat 4: Carrera911 ($121 in chips)
Seat 5: csdmxp ($88 in chips)
Seat 6: buckmout ($204 in chips)
Seat 7: Titus132 ($133 in chips)
Seat 8: tone6688 ($101 in chips)
Seat 9: Birdlet ($119 in chips)
Seat 10: En_Tei_68 ($59 in chips)
Birdlet: posts small blind $1
En_Tei_68: posts big blind $3
MakeAFist: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Carrera911 [ ]
Skaneatlas: folds
snappy1974: folds
Carrera911: raises $3 to $6
csdmxp: folds
buckmout: calls $6
Titus132: calls $6
tone6688: folds
Birdlet: folds
En_Tei_68: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Carrera911: checks
buckmout: checks
Titus132: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Carrera911: bets $6
buckmout: calls $6
Titus132: folds
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Carrera911: bets $6
buckmout: raises $6 to $12
Carrera911: calls $6 This guy is actually quite passive, so I have to respect the possible flush when he raises, obviously can't fold
*** SHOW DOWN ***
buckmout: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Eights)
Carrera911: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Kings)
Carrera911 collected $56 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $58 | Rake $2

against a "normal" player this could get capped flop and turn...

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Mirage

I love how when I look at limit HE hands, so often people go nuts on the flop w/ air but it gets checked through if people have monsters.

Well, at least you won

Carrera

Got a bit more action on this one (from same villain)

POKERSTARS GAME #16894104188: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2008/04/21 - 15:20:34 (ET)
Table 'Binomi III' 10-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: MakeAFist ($120 in chips)
Seat 2: Skaneatlas ($174 in chips)
Seat 3: snappy1974 ($34 in chips)
Seat 4: Carrera911 ($153 in chips)
Seat 5: csdmxp ($88 in chips)
Seat 6: buckmout ($174 in chips)
Seat 7: Titus132 ($127 in chips)
Seat 8: tone6688 ($110 in chips)
Seat 9: Birdlet ($118 in chips)
Seat 10: En_Tei_68 ($55 in chips)
snappy1974: posts small blind $1
Carrera911: posts big blind $3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Carrera911 [ ]
csdmxp: folds
buckmout: calls $3
Titus132: folds
tone6688: calls $3
Birdlet: raises $3 to $6
En_Tei_68: folds
MakeAFist: folds
Skaneatlas: calls $6
snappy1974: folds
Carrera911: calls $3
buckmout: calls $3
tone6688: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Carrera911: checks
buckmout: checks
tone6688: checks
Birdlet: bets $3
Skaneatlas: calls $3
Carrera911: calls $3
buckmout: calls $3
tone6688: calls $3
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Carrera911: bets $6
buckmout: raises $6 to $12
tone6688: folds
Birdlet: folds
Skaneatlas: folds
Carrera911: raises $6 to $18
buckmout: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Carrera911: bets $6
buckmout: calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Carrera911: shows [ ] (a straight, Nine to King)
buckmout: mucks hand
Carrera911 collected $91 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $94 | Rake $3
Board [ ]
Seat 6: buckmout mucked [ ]

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bigloser2448

I don't think I'll ever understand that game. Shouldn't we bet the flop for value even if not to prevent villian from drawing? Or will they never fold a draw there. But then again if they won't fold the draw, why not bet for value? I dunno.

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Ugignadl

limit = boned in the face

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sfustsh

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck are you talking about, bigL?

Villains aren't drawing, we are.

Moreover, you can't bet for value unless you have sufficient equity; if someone has a flush draw they're a favorite, and they're not folding anyway.

I mean, you can't have it both ways: You can't bet for value without the best hand and you can't bet to charge draws when you're behind.

But anyway you can't lead out for less abstract reasons: what happens if you get raised, reraised, or capped before you get to act again. Then you've really fucked yourself, haven't you?

Remember, all we have is a straight draw: no overcards, flush possibility, blah blah.

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bigloser2448

"Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck are you talking about, bigL?"

You misread my post, prick. Lay off.

(yes, I'm kidding about the prick thing. I mean you may very well be a prick, but this thread isn't indicative of it. )

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Velar

What the fuck are either of you talking about?

I took BigL's comments to be about hand #1, in which Hero is a good favorite, even against a flush draw. Hero has best hand, therefore value bet is possible.

But limit is a bitch. I'd say if you had only top pair instead of top set, then you'd bet to try to eliminate the people drawing for two pair or sets, because technically they should be folding even in limit. But SFU is right that any flush drawer is never folding here, which is why the strategy of waiting to the turn to bet in limit is a decent one for that hand. We aren't worried about people hitting a *free* two pair or set or even the over-card Ace because we have top set, but we also don't want to get things too pricey on the flop only to see a diamond on the turn....also if we bet and drawer raises, then in a weird way he's priced himself in to a correct pot odds turn call, as well.

At least you won with KK...I find those hands to be the biggest losers in limit due to the nature of the game.

sfustsh

lol.

I took BigL's comment to be about hand 2.

Betting is obviously correct in hand 1.

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LadyWrestler

I finally got around to reading this thread. I have no comment now that I have read it...other than I am confused (as usual).