NL100: Cake hand - What to do?

Randy · 10-12-2007, 08:23 AM

There is no converter so cake, so I'll have to reconstruct it..

$100NL - Cake Poker

Villian1 - $145
Villian2- $125
Villian3 - $85
Villian4 - $190 - SB
Hero - $130 - BB

It's folded to the button (villian3) and he raised to $5 -

Folded to the Hero in the BB who has :As: :Kc: - and calls $5

The Flop - :5c: :Kd: :9c: - Pot = $10.50

Hero Bets $11 and the Button Calls

The Turn is an :8c: - Pot = $32.50

Hero Bets $25 and the Villian moves all-in for $70ish - Pot = $127.50

Hero tanks

Ok, I've been at this table for about 30 minutes and I haven't see the villian get to far out of line, but I am 2 tabling so I may have missed something. The table is pretty aggressive and I have been pounding on the table pretty bad and I've been waiting for someone to play back at me..

I'm not sure that club helped him and if it did, why is he shoving in? Anyway, thoughts on all streets and your play at the end..

MewsicLovr · 10-12-2007, 08:26 AM

I would call this instantly - you are likely ahead, and even if you aren't you have the redraw.

Randy · 10-12-2007, 08:32 AM

This hand is anything but an insta-call. Villian is representing a made flush, AA, and KK... I have to call $60ish to win $127.. Nice odds but I can't figure I have a great redraw to the second nuts. Also, if he has a set I'm minus some outs...

Ugignadl · 10-12-2007, 08:47 AM

You have to only call 45, so it is significantly better odds than that. I don't have time to go through an analysis at the moment, and it is close.

NLMan · 10-12-2007, 08:49 AM

Unless I have a reason not to, I'd reraise preflop. If he pushes, I don't mind getting AK all-in preflop in 5 handed vrs a 85BB stack.

If I plain called preflop, I would check/raise the flop.

If I still somehow happened to find myself in this situation, I would check/call that turn to see what happens on the river.

As played you pretty much have to call $45 more.

Mirage · 10-12-2007, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLMan

Unless I have a reason not to, I'd reraise preflop. If he pushes, I don't mind getting AK all-in preflop in 5 handed vrs a 85BB stack.

If I plain called preflop, I would check/raise the flop.

If I still somehow happened to find myself in this situation, I would check/call that turn to see what happens on the river.

As played you pretty much have to call $45 more.

I concur

sfustsh · 10-12-2007, 09:42 AM

I think this is pretty close as well, but I call because you have significantly underrepresented your hand preflop.

I also wouldn't lead out on the flop, because it sort of destroys the point of flatting preflop.

Ugignadl · 10-12-2007, 10:08 AM

Yeah, reraise preflop of course. On the flop however you can bet out, I prefer to bet out in fact, but that is because I am used to being floated/raised light on the flop when I bet out.

Anyway I think Randy, to really answer this one you need to do some serious analysis.

I'm going to bed :).

NeXtToNoTHiNG · 10-13-2007, 03:57 AM

I think I'd check and call the turn if he bet and check the river, usually folding to a bet. If you only coldcall preflop, I don't like leading the flop unless you do it frequently. As played I fold.

Carrera · 10-13-2007, 04:04 AM

i've also recently always been re-raising pre flop in these situtations.

10-12-2007, 08:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
Randy Site Admin Join Date: May 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 4,717	NL100: Cake hand - What to do? There is no converter so cake, so I'll have to reconstruct it.. $100NL - Cake Poker Villian1 - $145 Villian2- $125 Villian3 - $85 Villian4 - $190 - SB Hero - $130 - BB It's folded to the button (villian3) and he raised to $5 - Folded to the Hero in the BB who has :As: :Kc: - and calls $5 The Flop - :5c: :Kd: :9c: - Pot = $10.50 Hero Bets $11 and the Button Calls The Turn is an :8c: - Pot = $32.50 Hero Bets $25 and the Villian moves all-in for $70ish - Pot = $127.50 Hero tanks Ok, I've been at this table for about 30 minutes and I haven't see the villian get to far out of line, but I am 2 tabling so I may have missed something. The table is pretty aggressive and I have been pounding on the table pretty bad and I've been waiting for someone to play back at me.. I'm not sure that club helped him and if it did, why is he shoving in? Anyway, thoughts on all streets and your play at the end.. __________________ Rakeback and Bonus Offers Poker Tutoring and Strategy

10-12-2007, 08:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
MewsicLovr Forum Master Join Date: May 2007 Location: perpetually exhausted Posts: 6,469	I would call this instantly - you are likely ahead, and even if you aren't you have the redraw. __________________ (2:13:49 PM) Mirage: I had already decided to get it in while he was timing down though so his FE was nonexistant (2:14:05 PM) Mirage: I mean wtf does he think I have there when I take that line pre and on the flop (2:14:11 PM) Eric: {random} (2:14:14 PM) Mirage: lol

10-12-2007, 08:32 AM	#3 (permalink)
Randy Site Admin Join Date: May 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 4,717	This hand is anything but an insta-call. Villian is representing a made flush, AA, and KK... I have to call $60ish to win $127.. Nice odds but I can't figure I have a great redraw to the second nuts. Also, if he has a set I'm minus some outs... __________________ Rakeback and Bonus Offers Poker Tutoring and Strategy

10-12-2007, 08:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
Ugignadl Drunken Aussie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Aussieland Posts: 7,707	You have to only call 45, so it is significantly better odds than that. I don't have time to go through an analysis at the moment, and it is close. __________________ I have been blogging. Last updated April 29th. http://www.feltpoker.com/blogs/ugignadl/

10-12-2007, 09:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
sfustsh Whale Hunter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rocking the micros Posts: 4,546	I think this is pretty close as well, but I call because you have significantly underrepresented your hand preflop. I also wouldn't lead out on the flop, because it sort of destroys the point of flatting preflop. __________________ Carrera: fuck you as just above it means big bet. so again fuck off

10-12-2007, 08:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
NLMan Fish Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 86	Unless I have a reason not to, I'd reraise preflop. If he pushes, I don't mind getting AK all-in preflop in 5 handed vrs a 85BB stack. If I plain called preflop, I would check/raise the flop. If I still somehow happened to find myself in this situation, I would check/call that turn to see what happens on the river. As played you pretty much have to call $45 more.

10-12-2007, 10:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ugignadl Drunken Aussie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Aussieland Posts: 7,707	Yeah, reraise preflop of course. On the flop however you can bet out, I prefer to bet out in fact, but that is because I am used to being floated/raised light on the flop when I bet out. Anyway I think Randy, to really answer this one you need to do some serious analysis. I'm going to bed :). __________________ I have been blogging. Last updated April 29th. http://www.feltpoker.com/blogs/ugignadl/

10-13-2007, 03:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
NeXtToNoTHiNG Grinder Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: don't Posts: 597	I think I'd check and call the turn if he bet and check the river, usually folding to a bet. If you only coldcall preflop, I don't like leading the flop unless you do it frequently. As played I fold.

10-13-2007, 04:04 AM	#10 (permalink)
Carrera Whale Hunter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Switzerland, France Posts: 2,549	i've also recently always been re-raising pre flop in these situtations. __________________ Attempting to blog at Carrera's Felt Poker blog (updated 16-5)

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