Good example of position being important

Carrera · 05-10-2008, 10:53 AM

Being in position here makes it very easy to play this hand either aggressively or passively. Each time it gets to me, I have the direct odds and certainly implied odds to call.

If I was in the middle, I would have a harder decision, and calling would not be a good option.

Most of all, THANK YOU CAKE

Hand #1496011363000974: Seville 11363
Seat 1: 4Valentina (196.00 in chips)
Seat 2: bhal*** (330.60 in chips)
Seat 3: xiao*** (429.20 in chips)
Seat 4: D.B.*** (96.55 in chips)
Seat 5: true*** (368.14 in chips)
Seat 6: sony*** (61.03 in chips)
Seat 7: Turt*** (125.80 in chips)
Seat 8: Raul*** (200.00 in chips)
Seat 9: Scou*** (85.10 in chips)
Seat 10: djda*** (52.65 in chips)
bhal***: posts small blind $1
xiao***: posts big blind $2
Dealt to 4Valentina [

]
D.B.***: folds
true***: calls
sony***: calls
Turt***: folds
Scou***: folds
djda***: folds
4Valentina: raises to $9
bhal***: folds
xiao***: calls
true***: calls
sony***: folds
@@@ F_L_O_P @@@ [

] ($28 )
xiao***: bets $30
true***: calls
4Valentina: calls (Getting great odds thanks to overcall)
# # # TURN # # # [

] ($118 )
xiao***: bets $60
true***: calls
4Valentina: calls (again super odds)
&&& RIVER &&& [

] ($298 )
xiao***: is all in 330.2000 (cool)
true***: is all in 269.1400 (wow)
4Valentina: is all in 97.0000
xiao***: returns uncalled bet $61.06
*** SHOW DOWN ***
xiao***: shows [

] (Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks )
true***: mucks
xiao*** wins $343.18 with Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
4Valentina: shows [

] (Straight, Ace high)
4Valentina wins $589.10 with Straight, Ace high
true***: mucks [

,

] (Pair)

sfustsh · 05-10-2008, 11:45 AM

Wow. A pair of jacks, seriously?

Carrera · 05-10-2008, 12:56 PM

I KNOW!

even if you give him the fact he has top pair until the river. wtf is he shoving 269 in on the river for????

xiao was an aggro monkey, but still...

Mirage · 05-10-2008, 01:08 PM

lol amazing, typical Cake though I guess. Awesome hand... I like the way you played it considering the mulitway action.

JAMOOL · 05-14-2008, 03:39 PM

Doesn't anyone think this ought to be raised? I mean, odds are you've got 14-15 clean outs here, and maybe more (as it turned out, you did), and that's a big shot vs. two people, but if a diamond comes the action may just shut down. If you shove you would probably get a call from a hand like AJ, in which case you're drawing to like a buttload of outs

Ugignadl · 05-15-2008, 02:45 AM

Yeah I raise the flop, of course.

Carrera · 05-15-2008, 04:25 AM

I knew that would be Ugi's answer. My point was that I had the choice to play it either way. Calling I think gives me the best chance of winning the biggest pot by keeping everyone in. That and I was in a lower variance phase.

PoorManBilly · 05-26-2008, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugignadl

Yeah I raise the flop, of course.

This. I cream my pants a little when I see that board.

Mirage · 05-26-2008, 08:17 AM

HU I raise the flop every time, but when it's multiway and I'm drawing to the nut flush or 2nd nut flush I'd rather try and keep worse draws in. 3-way I would probably still raise it, but this is still a fine way to play it because obv they're morons who apparently aren't folding at any point.

05-10-2008, 10:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
Carrera Shark Join Date: May 2007 Location: Switzerland/France Posts: 2,451	Good example of position being important Being in position here makes it very easy to play this hand either aggressively or passively. Each time it gets to me, I have the direct odds and certainly implied odds to call. If I was in the middle, I would have a harder decision, and calling would not be a good option. Most of all, THANK YOU CAKE Hand #1496011363000974: Seville 11363 Seat 1: 4Valentina (196.00 in chips) Seat 2: bhal* (330.60 in chips) Seat 3: xiao* (429.20 in chips) Seat 4: D.B.* (96.55 in chips) Seat 5: true* (368.14 in chips) Seat 6: sony* (61.03 in chips) Seat 7: Turt* (125.80 in chips) Seat 8: Raul* (200.00 in chips) Seat 9: Scou* (85.10 in chips) Seat 10: djda* (52.65 in chips) bhal: posts small blind $1 xiao: posts big blind $2 Dealt to 4Valentina [ ] D.B.: folds true: calls sony: calls Turt: folds Scou: folds djda: folds 4Valentina: raises to $9 bhal: folds xiao: calls true: calls sony: folds @@@ F_L_O_P @@@ [ ] ($28 ) xiao: bets $30 true: calls 4Valentina: calls (Getting great odds thanks to overcall) # # # TURN # # # [ ] ($118 ) xiao: bets $60 true: calls 4Valentina: calls (again super odds) &&& RIVER &&& [ ] ($298 ) xiao: is all in 330.2000 (cool) true: is all in 269.1400 (wow) 4Valentina: is all in 97.0000 xiao: returns uncalled bet $61.06 SHOW DOWN * xiao*: shows [ ] (Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks ) true: mucks xiao wins $343.18 with Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks * SHOW DOWN * 4Valentina: shows [ ] (Straight, Ace high) 4Valentina wins $589.10 with Straight, Ace high true*: mucks [ , ] (Pair) __________________ Attempting to blog at Carrera's Felt Poker blog (updated 16-5)

05-10-2008, 11:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
sfustsh Whale Hunter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rocking the micros Posts: 4,435	Wow. A pair of jacks, seriously? __________________ johnny350h: that was in his range yes yes

05-10-2008, 12:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
Carrera Shark Join Date: May 2007 Location: Switzerland/France Posts: 2,451	I KNOW! even if you give him the fact he has top pair until the river. wtf is he shoving 269 in on the river for???? xiao was an aggro monkey, but still... __________________ Attempting to blog at Carrera's Felt Poker blog (updated 16-5)

05-15-2008, 02:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
Ugignadl Drunken Aussie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Aussieland Posts: 7,492	Yeah I raise the flop, of course. __________________ I have been blogging. Last updated April 29th. http://www.feltpoker.com/blogs/ugignadl/

05-15-2008, 04:25 AM	#7 (permalink)
Carrera Shark Join Date: May 2007 Location: Switzerland/France Posts: 2,451	I knew that would be Ugi's answer. My point was that I had the choice to play it either way. Calling I think gives me the best chance of winning the biggest pot by keeping everyone in. That and I was in a lower variance phase. __________________ Attempting to blog at Carrera's Felt Poker blog (updated 16-5)

05-10-2008, 01:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mirage Whale Hunter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Missing Combo Draws :( Posts: 3,070	lol amazing, typical Cake though I guess. Awesome hand... I like the way you played it considering the mulitway action.

05-14-2008, 03:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
JAMOOL School Fish Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 294	Doesn't anyone think this ought to be raised? I mean, odds are you've got 14-15 clean outs here, and maybe more (as it turned out, you did), and that's a big shot vs. two people, but if a diamond comes the action may just shut down. If you shove you would probably get a call from a hand like AJ, in which case you're drawing to like a buttload of outs

05-26-2008, 08:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
Mirage Whale Hunter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Missing Combo Draws :( Posts: 3,070	HU I raise the flop every time, but when it's multiway and I'm drawing to the nut flush or 2nd nut flush I'd rather try and keep worse draws in. 3-way I would probably still raise it, but this is still a fine way to play it because obv they're morons who apparently aren't folding at any point.

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