Carrera

$200 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, June 13, 17:41:28 ET 2007
Table Jackpot #1304639 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: SHARKBITESDONK ( $203.95 USD )
Seat 3: rippon77 ( $250.70 USD )
Seat 4: Larslo ( $246.67 USD )
Seat 5: redfox1982 ( $965.98 USD )
Seat 9: Hero ( $186 USD )
Seat 1: Raoh_ ( $28 USD )
Seat 7: Zyntex ( $37 USD )
Seat 8: Daulettt ( $77 USD )
Seat 6: dazboy71 ( $202.25 USD )
rippon77 posts small blind [$1 USD].
Larslo posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ :Ah: :Qh: ]
redfox1982 folds.
dazboy71 calls [$2 USD]
Zyntex folds.
Daulettt folds.
Hero raises [$8 USD]
Raoh_ folds.
SHARKBITESDONK folds.
rippon77 folds.
Larslo folds.
dazboy71 calls [$6 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ :7h:, :4h:, :5h: ] (pot $19)
dazboy71 bets [$10 USD]
Hero calls [$10 USD] thought about raising, decided to see what he would do on turn since I have position
** Dealing Turn ** [ :Jh: ] (pot $39) probably not best card to get more money
dazboy71 bets [$74 USD] wow
Hero calls [$74 USD] i figure a raise here and he will fold for sure, so just call
** Dealing River ** [ :Kc: ] (pot $187)
dazboy71 checks. oh well
Hero bets [$58 USD] i doubt he paying anything, but will give him a chance to
dazboy71 folds.


in average situation raise flop for value?

not too sure what his turn bet means, except he has a lower flush and wants me to think he has the :Ah:, It would be unlikely for him to have the straight flush.

only 18 hands on villain, so don't know how he plays

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Carrera

anyone think he had :6h: :6c: ?

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NeXtToNoTHiNG

No, he's playing very optimistically if he did hold that. You could make a 2.5x raise on the flop to try and get him to call you if he thinks you're drawing with Ace hearts alone. When I flat call, I usually find that they shut down on the turn OOP and fold to a bet whenever I hold the nuts so I'm not for slowplaying. Think about how you would play it if you did have two overs and the NFD draw, probably fast or for a free card, or shoving to try and get him to fold without making your hand, then play those lines. It's not only difficult to get value after the flop, but you're gonna see a heart fall by the river 35% of the time that will kill your action, so play it as fast as you think he'll let you. Think about it theoretically, you want enough of your range here to be played in the same fashion, which means sets, top two, and OC combo draws and stronger. You either want to win a big pot or fold him out. You don't always have to play it the same way, but generally, nobody gives credit for flopped flushes so you can get away with playing them fast.

As played, you got all you could imo, I don't think he ever calls a river.

Carrera

for sure if I have a set on the flop, i'm raising most of the time

if just NFD, i'll probably call a lot of the time.

hard to see what he had here tho.

what does he limp in EP, call a raise, and bet on flop and turn with?

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Ugignadl

Might make a big reply later but if you are going to call the flop you need to raise the turn, if you are not going to raise the turn then raise the flop.

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sfustsh

I have a feeling that villain made a straight on the flop, for some reason.

I probably would have raised the flop. It's generally not going to get your opponent to fold, especially a small raise, since his bet pattern is strong. (Note, however, some villains like to bet into the PFR often with air or as a semibluff). Unless he's got total shit he's not going to let it go to a raise to ~24 or even a minraise. Another good thing about raising is that if a heart drops and he's got the :kh: he's less likely to be worried about a flopped flush than if you slowplay. I wouldn't say it's terribly significant (he's probably not staking off with the second nuts either way) but it is somewhat important.

On the other hand, there are lots of other turn cards that are very good for you. If he's got a :6s::6c: and he makes a straight then he's very likely to pay you off, not figuring for the flopped nuts.

I can't really figure out what he's thinking on the turn, especially after seeing the river. What hand could he be betting on the turn but fold on the river? The only reason I can see for making this huge bet on the turn is see if you'll call, letting him know he's beat. But that seems like a large price to pay to get information you really already have. If he's got the :Kh: he hasn't really learned if he's ahead or not, since you could have :Qh::Qc: just as well. I like the call on this street as played. Also consider that getting it in is very much easier with 100 behind into 190.

River, I can't really pick a good bet size. Like you said, he's probably folding everything, so I want to make it really cheap (like your bet). OTOH, if he'll call cheap with X hand, most hands in X are likely to call all in (90-something?). I can't really decide.

BTW, holy shit @ redfox1982's stack.

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Carrera: fuck you

as just above it means big bet.
so again fuck off

NLMan

Unless I knew him as a bluffer who always fires 3 bullets no matter what (pretty rare, actually), I'd raise the flop (but not too strong - maybe 2.5x) Noone ever belives in a flopped flush. You need to reraise here and hope that he pushes it if you want to stack him. A set and a baby flush would definitely do it. Some donks can even do it with AT or T +K/J of hearts.

I personally think that he either slowplayed KK with a K of hearts or flopped a lower flush (that would explain the frustrated turn overbet - he was trying his last stab at winning the pot he thought was his) and you've missed your chance to stack him.

Very bad spot to slowplay. As soon as another heart shows up only a complete retard will stack here with a lower flush as played. Also, a paired board can easily kill your hand. Even if none of those show up, your turn reraise will make your hand obvious.