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Nice article! I've been playing a lot more HU lately myself. Some good stuff here IMO, but I'd like you to explain this statement a little more if you will...
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And then a little later you said, "Most of the time, no one flops anything." I agree with both statements completely, but when an opponent plays back at me, I don't think it can also be said that "you will often hold a very strong hand". From my limited experience the common HU foe only gets aggressive under two circumstances, 1. When he has a good hand, 2. When he's fed up with your aggression. Unless you have a good reason to think it's only #2, then I usually assume it's #1 and give up the hand & wait for a better spot.
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I should definitely clarify. When I said, "you will often hold a very strong hand", that was a poor choice of words. What I mean is that when he does play back most of the time you will have to give up (like you said), but that's ok. The important thing is that since you are in position, he is always risking more than you, hoping you have something you can't call with. When you do call, he suddenly has to be extremely cautious. At least, he should be. (Sometimes villains fire away with whatever they have regardless of board texture. Some of my most profitable and fastest games are against these types of players.) Are you calling with a monster? Are you on a draw? Are you just floating? Do you have a weak middle-pair type hand? Your opponent has to guess among all these situations. Whenever you make your opponent guess, it will very often be the wrong decision, and wrong decisions make us money.
By the way, my numbers should be taken with a grain of salt, since every match is different of course. The point with throwing some numbers out there is to set a sort of guideline. Yes, there are some strange matches where my opponent is so aggressive that I will be just open folding more hands from the button than I'd care to. Other times I may just complete knowing I'll have to call a raise, but that will keep the pot smaller than open raising and having to deal with a 3-bet. On the flip side, I've known matches where I've raised with literally 100% of my hands since my opponent was so weak. Go with the flow of the match and try not to play as though you need to hit any of the numbers I mentioned. They are just guidelines, after all. |
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Nice ML.
Perhaps the most common thing missing is how to play OOP against a raise preflop. I noticed that you might have the SB and BB confused in that paragraph as well. It's a hard thing to give an overview of how to play HU matches well so good on you for putting in the effort.
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Yes, that is lacking, I see now. Part of the problem is it's so dynamic specific it's hard to give any good guidelines. I decided to take what I usually end up doing and turn it into a rough hand guide. Keep in mind you don't have to follow this guide, this is just what I normally do vs a standard villain I don't know. (I also edited the OP to include this information)
BB hand guide facing a SB raise Pairs: 3-bet most pairs vs a habitual raiser. Against an infrequent raiser I may just call with 88- but 3-bet everything else. Aces: Usually 3-bet high aces (AJ+). Usually call other aces. High kings (K9+): Usually call. Sometimes 3-bet KJ and KQ. Suited connectors/one-gappers/two-gappers: Usually just call. Once in a while, 3-bet if the raiser is very aggressive. Unsuited connectors/one-gappers: Mix it up between calling and folding. Fold other trash. Postflop If I 3-bet, again I'll be coming out with a bet very often. If I just called, I'll be looking to check-raise very often. You should not be donk betting very often unless you flop very strong and your opponent is very aggressive. In this you are betting in the hopes he will raise. Then you can call and check-raise the turn. Another situation is if you flop a pretty good draw. Now you can donk, and when he raises you can shove. In general, you should attempt to avoid check-calling with mediocre hands. You never know where you're at in the hand and you're at the mercy of the button. Wherever possible, you want to put the pressure back on them to make the decision. |
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This is turning into a very good thread IMHO.
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That's good ML, I think you hit the nail on the head with this situation. The key, I think, with playing in that situation is to remove all notions of bluffing from your mind. In other spots in HU matches bluffing is mostly OK (like in your OP) as long as you are realistic and represent something reasonable; but the thinking changes completely in the BB.
I like this thread also.
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Some good advice, but it doesn't cover too much about what to do if you don't flop anything. I think it's important to establish early on (when blinds are low) to see what your opponent's going to call you with. I'll min-bet some very suspicious flops (like A8
Another good way to avoid playing out of position is to start raising OOP. I don't see this advocated much but it's a good strategy against people who limp the button a lot. Odds are they're getting hands like Q7 or J6, stuff that's okay but really not good vs. a raise at all. If you raise OOP a lot it sort of conditions them to not limp in and fold the button to you, which is a great thing for an opponent to do |
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Min bet is bad advice. Vehemently disagree about raising the button; ML already mentioned this is a vague plan and you shouldn't be following it 100%, but what he said remains the optimal technique: aiming to raise ~100% of the time from the button is profitable. Any vague plan should not include limping from the button. 40-50% is exceptionally low, and you are going to lose a lot of value.
I also seem to recall ML saying something about how to play when you don't flop anything. Yes, he mentions cbetting quite a lot. Briefly, there is no way to include a primer on postflop strategy but actually it's not so different from postflop strategy HU in other forms of NL (just the ranges are wild) so I don't see it as such an important tast for a HU guide.
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Nice read.
Something to drive home the fact that raising is better: think about how much it sucks to play against someone that raises almost every hand and how nice it is if they just limp. Also, any piece of the flop can be good. As stated, sometimes it's really hard to determine if your bottom pair is good and is something I struggle with. Most of my HU play is 20BB deep or less but every once in a while I'll get HU early. Question: what do you think about raising 3x vs 2.5x for the button? 2.5x keeps the pot smaller but encourages a call. Also, what kind of a raise do you like from the BB? 3x or 4x?
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