50nl Potentially interesting spot, 3b pot w top pair

[sevens]

Villain is 19/15 ATS 49% and f3b% 70% over 362 hands. I know, I know, lol sample size. So he raises in the CO with his super wide range so naturally I 3b with junk and expect to take it down alot. He leads for half pot and I call to see what happens on the t/r. I pick up a BD straight draw but am not super excited about dumping a ton of money in the middle, so I check behind and take the free card in case I need to improve. Then he leads the river for about 2/3 pot. I don't think his flop lead means super strength, mostly just a hand taking a stab at the pot. So I think on the river it's either something like AQ or everything else I beat that decided to turn it's hand into a bluff.

Also could be rivered JJ.

Thoughts on my line and are you calling/shoving the river? Or just folding?

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SB ($49.50)
BB ($59.10)
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UTG+1 ($92.80)
UTG+2 ($169)
MP1 ($51.35)
CO ($57.75)
Hero ($50)

Dealt to Hero 4 Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, fold, fold, CO calls $3.50

FLOP ($10.75) 5 6 Q

CO bets $5, Hero calls $5

TURN ($20.75) 5 6 Q 3

CO checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($20.75) 5 6 Q 3 J

CO bets $12, Hero?

[kevbar13]

First off, what does ATS stand for?

I like the way you played it after the flop and would call the river. I personally am not at the point where I am comfortable stealing with such a hand.

But beside that point, I might consider betting the turn about 1/2 pot after his check, and check/calling the river if I don't make the str8. I'm having a hard time putting him on AQ with the turn check.

[sevens]

ats = attempts to steal

[kevbar13]

Thanks, figured it had something to do with steal

[bigloser2448]

Any thoughts about min-raising the flop for info? I know it's a different game, but I've started doing this sometimes against players like this. I have found that it either takes down the pot right there or let's you get to a cheaper showdown cause it seems so strong. It prevents them from taking more bluff stabs imo.

[sfustsh]

That hand is garbage even if he is bullshitting a lot of the time. Wait for a better spot.

As played I would call.

[Peepers]

i see merit in the PFR sevens, that is a really big ATS.

I like the flop call and the check back on the turn. As played you have to call the river though i kinda doubt you're showing up with the winner here. regardless your hand is underrepped and you still have top pair in a small pot. If you did lose, that's the perils of play Q4. 3betting in that spot is better with 68, 96, 46...stuff like that

[sfustsh]

Originally Posted by Peepers

i see merit in the PFR sevens, that is a really big ATS.

I absolutely cannot condone such a statement. If he has such a high ATS, you are not gaining an advantage by 3betting him with Q4. Really meow.

Wait for something better...

[mattgeer]

I think this is total spew. I don't understand the need to put $5 in the pot with garbage like Q4. Sure, he might fold 70% of the time, but it's nice to have something playable the other 30% he doesn't because we give ourselves a chance to win then too. I would just fold this and wait for a better spot.

On the flop, I think I'd raise him. I'd really try to take the pot down ASAP. I don't like my top pair weak kicker and I don't want to show this down. If he flats or re-raises you, then you c/f the turn or let it go on the flop. I think this would cost a bit more than just calling his $12 river bet, but you have no idea what he's going to do on the turn anyway.....and again, this spewy image is only going to give you more grief later on IMO.

On the river, I think you need to call. Tons of hands that he's raising pre bricked...all of his sc's missed (unless he hit pair/two pair) and quite a few of his broadways missed their straights too. It'll just suck when he flips up something like Q9+ ....

Dunno...I'm still learning 10nl so this is beyond me

[bigloser2448]

I really don't know about this river bet. It's totally villain dependent. Over 362 hands hopefully you have a decent # of hands he's made it to the river to know how he behaves in spots like these.

I was just thinking this last night when I was playing a set of SnGs. The specifics of the hands don't matter, but I had two hands with almost the exact same circumstances in both when villain bet big on the river. One was a bluff with like 3rd pair and the other was the nuts. I remember thinking, wtf, how am I supposed to play against that? (I had no history on those guys at the time.)