Shortstacks and how they eat my brain.
Saturday, November 10th, 2007Warning: Some of the links in this entry go to external sites and some are NSFW. If you hover over the links titles will pop up saying “EXT” for external link (link other than my home server), “NSFW” for the obvious, or “CLICK AWAY” if you wouldn’t mind if your mom/wife/priest saw it. Due to it’s nature the last link shouldn’t be clicked on by anyone.
So, who knew my first entry would be about shortstacks? I’ve come to accept that they are a huge hole in my game that I fear I can’t get out of.
I’m going to go over some hands from Friday night. Hey, if any of our great circle of friends on Ridge would like to comment on the hands or my thinking please make a thread in the strat section of the forum and copy them there, or make a guest blog post to post here. I’d greatly appreciate some analysis.
First hand…
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold’em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter
SB: $137.20
BB: $79
Hero (UTG+1): $198.80
Pre-Flop:
dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $7, 5 folds, SB calls $6, BB calls $5
Flop: ($21)
(3 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $21, 2 folds
Results: $21 Pot ($1.05 Rake)
BB mucked and WON $19.95 (+$12.95 NET)
Not a thrilling start. Here we made a standard raise UTG+1 with AKs and both blinds flat called. The big blind bet a little more than the pot and we dumped the hand. We had no reads on villains yet, but it soon became clear that BB was a shortstack pain, betting the pot or pushing every flop until he busted a couple hands later, so it was slightly annoying.
As it turns out, that kind of play was going to be somewhat standard for this session. Here are a couple of pots that I wasn’t involved in that will give you a feel for the two tables.
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold’em Cash Game, 7 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter
CO: $342.90 (Solid player)
UTG+1: $36.70
Pre-Flop:
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $2, MP folds, CO raises to $8, 3 folds, UTG+1 raises to $36.70 and is All-In, CO calls $28.70
Flop: ($76.40)
(2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Turn: ($76.40)
(2 Players - 1 is All-In)
River: ($76.40)
(2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Results: $76.40 Pot ($3 Rake)
CO showed
(a pair of Jacks) and LOST (-$36.70 NET)
UTG+1 showed
(a pair of Kings) and WON $73.40 (+$36.70 NET)
So, this guy who had been playing solid tried to raise the shortstack out, which doesn’t work because that’s why they are playing those stacks to begin with, then calls his push with a bad hand. His brain got eaten too.
Another hand…
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold’em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter
SB: $54.05
Hero (BB): $182
UTG: $321.60
UTG+1: $223.45
MP1: $132.90
MP2: $68.80
CO: $100
BTN: $66
CO posts $2
Pre-Flop:
dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2, CO checks, BTN raises to $4, SB calls $3, Hero folds, UTG raises to $15, 3 folds, BTN calls $11, SB raises to $54.05 and is All-In, UTG raises to $93.10, BTN calls $51 and is All-In
Flop: ($194.05)
(3 Players - 1 is All-In)
Turn: ($194.05)
(3 Players - 1 is All-In)
River: ($194.05)
(3 Players - 1 is All-In)
Results: $194.05 Pot ($3 Rake)
SB showed
(a pair of Sixes) and LOST (-$54.05 NET)
UTG showed
(a pair of Sixes) and WON $191.05 (+$125.05 NET)
BTN showed
(a pair of Sixes) and LOST (-$66 NET)
So, the play is just a bit loose for us today. UTG was a pretty solid player himself and had no issues going all in against these guys with his AJ. Also, we love button’s minraise with QJ. Sometimes it really obvious to see when they are too loose, sometimes it isn’t. Our friend Ugi can tell you, minraising the button is just doing it the wrong way.
In what is the very next hand we find ourself with cowboys and we’ll be OOP. The converter is really messing up this hand so I’m going to post it freestyle.
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold’em Cash Game, 6 Players
Seat 1: Sitting out (shortstack busto dead button)
Seat 2: Hero ($180.00) SB
Seat 3: ($446.65) BB
Seat 4: (223.45) UTG
Seat 5: ($130.90) UTG+1
Seat 6: ($66.80) CO
Seat 7: ($98.00) BUTTON
Seat 8: Sitting out (shortstack busto dead CO)
Pre-Flop:
dealt to Hero
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CO limps, Button limps, Hero raises to $12.
Why $12? Because of the crazyness of the tables and our position I raised 6x, 4x plus 1x for each limper. In retrospect I would have liked to have made it $14 or $16 because of the difficulty of defining these shortstacks hands with anything standard.
BB folds, CO calls, Button folds.
Flop ($28) Flop: ($194.05)

Hero bets $28, CO folds.
Basically, I’m not fooling around. One of these guys is likely to call that pot sized bet or even push with a straight draw or a flush draw, any jack, or any ten. They don’t play shortstacks because they want to make difficult decisions. I don’t see any purpose in betting any less. If they fold, great, I’ll take it right there. If they push I’ll call because their range is infinite. If they flopped a set or JT then gg me again, just another unpleasant surprise.
Just a couple of hands later we have teh rockets.
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold’em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter
Hero (MP): $192.60
CO: $443.65
BTN: $248.85
SB: $138.95
BB: $38.80
UTG: $78
Pre-Flop:
dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, SB calls $6, BB calls $5
Flop: ($21)
(3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($21)
(3 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $21, Hero raises to $42, SB raises to $63, BB calls $10.80 and is All-In, Hero calls $21
River: ($178.80)
(3 Players - 1 is All-In)
SB bets $68.95 and is All-In, Hero calls $68.95
Results: $316.70 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero mucked
(two pair, Aces and Fives) and LOST (-$138.95 NET)
SB showed
(a full house, Jacks full of Fives) and WON $313.70 (+$174.75 NET)
BB mucked
(two pair, Jacks and Fives) and LOST (-$38.80 NET)
What happened here? Ugh. We made a standard raise first-in in MP. On this table we should have gone higher. SB is a previous shortstack who has doubled and BB is a moron. What do we bet? Both of these players have shown that they will not lay down their blinds very easily. A $20 would be begging the BB to push, but would he do it? Maybe a $12 or $14 bet out of the gate would have been better. Ideally we don’t want to isolate ourselves against the shortest stack on the table, but with these two in the blinds they are going to hang on and add problems to our pot if others call. Damn shortstacks. Anyway, as played our pre-flop is entirely wrong.
So the flop comes and they check to us and we check, which is some terriffic misclick equity for them. There is, of course, zero reason to check this flop unless you want a villain to catch up a little so that you can get more value on later streets, but that just doesn’t apply here. I must have been really distracted during this hand. I remember checking and immediately cursing.
The turn pairs the board and villains get aggressive. At this point I’m steaming because I misclicked on the previous street and I realize that my rockets are going to lose to these morons. I minraise the $21 bet, again showing I’m briefly out of my mind, and just call the rest down. While the one villain flopped top set, the other is true to his shortstack dingleberry role. But I played this hand worse than anyone.
Just a couple hands later, bam, more rockets.
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold’em Cash Game, 7 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter
BB: $197
Hero (UTG): $206.25
UTG+1: $408.65
MP: $183.80
CO: $309.70
BTN: $87.75
SB: $223.20
Pre-Flop:
dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $7, UTG+1 folds, MP raises to $124, 4 folds, Hero raises to $206.25 and is All-In, MP calls $59.80 and is All-In
Flop: ($370.60)
(2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Turn: ($370.60)
(2 Players - 1 is All-In)
River: ($370.60)
(2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Results: $370.60 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed
(a pair of Aces) and WON $367.60 (+$183.80 NET)
MP showed
(a pair of Jacks) and LOST (-$183.80 NET)
Here, again, we made a standard raise, first in. Our SB is a moron but his little stack has been pumped up. BB we don’t know. Our button is the only shortstack left.
MP kindly took the decision making out of the hand for us, ty sir. Thanks to his standard 17.4x raise with JJ we could play this hand while being completely oblivious to our surroundings.
But what do you do when you flop air against a shortstack maniac?
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold’em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter
SB: $67.80
BB: $84.95
UTG: $55
Hero (UTG+1): $183.80
UTG+2: $45
MP1: $39.55
MP2: $169.80
CO: $183.50
BTN: $239.10
UTG+2 posts $2
Pre-Flop:
dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $8, UTG+2 calls $6, 6 folds
Flop: ($19)
(2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks
Turn: ($19)
(2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks
River: ($19)
(2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks
Results: $19 Pot ($0.95 Rake)
Hero showed
(Ace King high) and LOST (-$8 NET)
UTG+2 showed
(a pair of Sixes) and WON $18.05 (+$10.05 NET)
Here we’ve been flat called by the shortstack who had just posted in. He sat with just $45 on a $200 table. We’re out of position, we have AK, and we flopped air against a villain who is likely to spooge his chips all over the board. If he limped then called the liklihood of a small or mid pocket pair is good, but he posted in and called, so maybe he has a weak Ace or who knows what, the guys range is infinite. I just checked it down, feeling that a continuation bet would lead to a villain push. He might have folded with his small pockets, but that’s not why these guys buy in short. This is where I need some work.
The tables turned tight and I turned to Pokerstars, which provided some fishy action of it’s own and no reason to slow play a set.
Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold’em Cash Game, 7 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter
BTN: $103.35
Hero (SB): $100.85
BB: $97.80
UTG: $65.70
UTG+1: $109
MP: $60.45
CO: $208.20
Pre-Flop:
dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $1, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks
Flop: ($3)
(3 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3, UTG calls $3, Hero raises to $9, BB calls $6, UTG calls $6
Turn: ($30)
(3 Players)
Hero bets $14, BB raises to $87.80 and is All-In, UTG calls $55.70 and is All-In, Hero calls $73.80
River: ($261.30)
(3 Players - 1 is All-In)
Results: $261.30 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed
(three of a kind, Eights) and WON $258.30 (+$160.50 NET)
BB mucked
and LOST (-$97.80 NET)
UTG mucked
and LOST (-$65.70 NET)
Ok, this is too long. I’ll make them shorter. I’m going to keep trying to look at a few shortstack hands every so often as time goes on. I hope that I didn’t take the joke too far with all the links.